Showing posts with label William Gladstone. Show all posts
Showing posts with label William Gladstone. Show all posts

Friday, 5 November 2010

Gladstone's Response to the TUV

My friend Michael has had some fun (tinged sometimes with righteous anger) looking in different ways at some of the Traditional Unionist Voice's approach to Northern Ireland. I think this excerpt from the 7 June 1886, from William Ewart Gladstone on the Second Reading of the First Home Rule Bill* is as pertinent today as then.

Now, Sir, I want to say a word upon the subject of Irish loyalism because we are obliged to use phrases in debates of this kind which cannot be explained from time to time when using them, and it is well that there should be little understanding beforehand. When I hear the speeches of the hon. member for South Belfast (Mr. M. Johnson) - and of some other gentlemen - it always appears to me that he is under the pious conviction that loyalty is innate in the Irish Protestants and disloyalty in (a slight pause) some other persons. I do believe that he is under the impression that at all times, in all the long generations of Irish history, that has been the distinction to be drawn between Protestants and persons who are not Protestants. (An Ulster Member - 'No, No!') Is Protestant loyalism a thing that has a date and origin, or is it not? Has the hon. member and the hon. and gallant member for North Armagh (Major Saunderson) inquired what was the state of Ireland in the 18th Century with respect to loyalty. As far as regarded the great mass of the population - the Roman Catholic population - they were hardly born into political life until the close of the century, and for a long period, in the time of Dean Swift, who described their incapacity of political action as something beyond belief, it would have been absurd to speak of them as loyal or disloyal. But at the close of the century the Protestants and Roman Catholics of Ireland were described in a short passage by Mr Burke, which I shall now read to the House. The date of it is 1796, and it is taken from a letter to Mr. Windham. He speaks of the subject of disaffection.

"It" - that is to say disaffection - " has deep roots in the principles and habits of the majority among the lower and middle classes of the whole Protestant part in Ireland. The Catholics who are intermingled with them are more or less tainted. (Home Rule laughter.) In other parts of Ireland, some in Dublin only expected, the Catholics, who are in a manner the whole people, areas yet sound; but they may be provoked, as all men may easily be, out of their principles."

What does that mean? That the Protestants, not having grievances to complain of, have become loyal, but in many cases the Roman Catholics, as Mr Burke says, have been provoked, as all men easily may be, out of their principles of loyalty. And these are words , and these are ideas, which show us whaat is the way in which to promote loyalty, and what is the way in which we can destroy it.


It would therefore, seem to me that the Grand Old Man had his finger on the pulse. The TUV's response to the OFMDFM's draft Cohesion, Sharing and Integration Strategy, shows the desire to let certain traditional sections of Unionist society to have no grievances, while ignoring the needs of any group that does not fit that perceived 'norm'.

*From Great Liberal Speeches (Politicos, London 2001) Ed. Brack & Little

Tuesday, 29 December 2009

Here's a Little Series What I Wrote

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2
Today being the 200th Annivesary of William Ewart Gladstone's birth here is a series of articles I wrote back in 2002 for H2G2:



Part one looking at his early life and election campaigns.

Part two looking at this time in Government both a Chancellor and Prime Minister.

Part three wrapping up a number of subjects, his relationship with the Queen, his speeches and campaigns, he personal life, writtings and reforms.

Looking at these again I may well have to do a little rewrite on these or a few more in depth articles on certain aspects.

The picture is of Mr and Mrs Gladstone at Glencorse Station during the Midlothian campaign. At that time a lot of what is now West Lothian was also part of the constituency that Gladstone was fighting.

Some Grand Old Sayings


In honour of the 200th Anniversary of the birth of the Grand Old Man, William Ewart Gladstone, who served 4 terms as Prime Minister when losing a vote was a matter of honour that called for a General Election here are some of his sayings.

"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear."

"Be happy with what you have and are, be generous with both, and you won't have to hunt for happiness."

"Justice delayed is justice denied."

"No man ever became great or good except through many and great mistakes."


There is a rally at Gladstone's statue near Haymarket at 12:00 today where David Steel will be saying a few things about his predecessor. Sadly I won't be there but check out Caron's blog for more details.