tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3732919976442735382.post2434113241205857861..comments2023-10-08T10:24:24.396+01:00Comments on Stephen's Liberal Journal: Paddy Ashdown: The World Will Never be the SameStephen Glennhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03027718551675624433noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3732919976442735382.post-63026225570240909692009-03-28T13:48:00.000+00:002009-03-28T13:48:00.000+00:00So no mention of his support of the child sex slav...So no mention of his support of the child sex slavers in Bosnia.<br><br>No mention of his perjury in the Milosevic "trial".<br><br>No mention of knowing the KLA were Nazis, drug lords & organleggers armed by NATO as genocidal terrorists & police when he was training them.<br><br>No mention of knowing the Nazi antecedents of his allies & their public commitments to racial genocide.<br><br>No mention of conversation with his friend Mr bin Laden in the Bosnian Moslem Nazi President's office.<br><br>No mention of him being a war criminal who has been willing to tell absolutely any lie to promote racial genocide.neil craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3732919976442735382.post-12955697434807679282009-03-29T10:32:00.000+01:002009-03-29T10:32:00.000+01:00Neil you are here again coming very close to breac...Neil you are here again coming very close to breaching the comments policy of this blog. I will accept it is too the point but the marginally legality and civility of your postings both here and around the blogosphere.<br><br>Paddy did acknoweldge that there wer problems in Bosnia Herzegovina without going into specifics. But said that the biggest problem to working with these troubled and often unlawful factions was in getting the West to stay involved in seeking to find a peace. So possibly the only thing that I may say is that when you are seeking to move forward Paddy did say "you have to work with people over whom you have issues" but the goal is for a greater good at the other end. <br><br>However, seeing as you have accused me of being a facist in the past, without being as far as I'm aware fully conversant in my viws, I would suggest you urgently need to read a dictionary definition of the words you brandish about.<br><br>BTW I have noted you IP Address as a matter of course this time over your posting in case I have a legal query or challenge, again.Stephen Glennhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03027718551675624433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3732919976442735382.post-61707510724852940082009-03-29T16:15:00.000+01:002009-03-29T16:15:00.000+01:00"Paddy did acknoweldge that there wer problem..."Paddy did acknoweldge that there wer problems in Bosnia Herzegovina without going into specifics"<br> <br>Oh good. I understand Hitler acknowledged there were problems with the Jews without going into specifics too.<br> <br>The fact is that everything I said is true. I do know enough about your views to know that you have no visible problem with supporting a party undeniably involved in what are, by the legal standards applied at Nuremberg, war crimes.neil craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3732919976442735382.post-33878133527087984282009-03-29T18:07:00.000+01:002009-03-29T18:07:00.000+01:00Neil I've read your piece from Wednesday and n...Neil I've read your piece from Wednesday and notice that you referred to humans as creatures.<br><br>Regardless of what you are accusing people of, if you are going to demean them in the same way as the National Socialist Party demeaned Jews, Homosexuals and the Romany community it leaves a lot to be desired. It also makes it poor or less impossible for anyone attempting to entered reasoned debate with you. <br><br>As the the Nuremburg Principles and the accusation of perjury from General Bozidar Delić. Nuremburg laid the principles but also laid down the need to establish fuller international law. And Delić went though a series of discrediting as many witnesses as possible to try and deny everything to protect his former Commander in Chief Milosovic.<br><br>As for you denial that genocide was going on in the area shall I take you the grave of one of University friends and her Bosnian in-laws and the many more of the village to stop your denial of what was going on in July '95.Stephen Glennhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03027718551675624433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3732919976442735382.post-52398420116110561222009-03-29T19:20:00.000+01:002009-03-29T19:20:00.000+01:00Stephen you are trying to mislead by quoting from ...Stephen you are trying to mislead by quoting from my blog out of context. What I said was that I didn't think anybody could dispute that NATO's leaders had committed war crimes & genocide & that these creatures deserve punishment. I note that you cannot dispute the accuracy of that. I think that by the very action they have demeaned themselves far more than I could. I have seen Nazi concentration camp guards described as behaving in an inhuman way - it may be that you are on record as defending them from that charge, in which case I could accept your criticism as honourable but misguided. However I suspect not.<br><br>On your 2nd point readers may not know that Delic was the one who, in the Milosevic "trial", produced the maps showing that Ashdown couldn't possibly have seen what he said on oath he had seen because there were mountains in the way. Are you saying that he fabricated the mountains or indeed that there is anything whatsoever dishounourable in "discrediting witnesses" by proving they are lying when they are? This is a very strange legal or moral principle. <br><br>As for your last remark - I very much doubt if you are telling the truth if you are claiming - as you imply - that this alleged friend was killed in Kosovo. After all you say she, or at least her in laws, were Bosnian not Albanian. If she actually had been living in Kosovo she would have been a target for NATO trained KLA/NATO police terrorism.<br><br>Nobody disputes that there was a war Bosnia - caused by the EU using an openly genocidal ex-Nazi Moslem leader, who was not even the lawful Bosnian President (Karadzic was) to break up Yugoslavia & attempt to put millions of Serbs under the control of someone publicly committed to their genocide. Not only was this contrary to all international law. Being advised by every independent Balkan expert that this would quite obviously mean starting a genocidal war it proves that the EU leaders were deliberately involved in both war crimes & genocide. Ashdown was, of course, continuously enthusiastic about doing so. <br><br>The one person who cannot be blamed for starting that war is Milosevic - well except by people like Ashdown's Nazi friend Tudjman who blame the Jews for the Holocaust.<br><br>Stephen I would be interested in knowing if you are actually denying the primary & only undisputed 1995 Srebrenica genocide - that of over 3,800 Serb men women & children (but mainly women & children because the men were in the militia) in surrounding villages. That's the one that Ashdown attempted to burn all copies of the report of. <br><br>If not then lets see when you have denounced the genocidal EU & Moslem Nazi leaders, who were more involved in starting that war than Milosevic, for your alleged friend's death. Had the western powers merely attempted to carve Yugoslavia up on mainly ethnic lines that would have been merely 19thC imperialism. What they, with the full support of the Nazi led "Liberals" did was to, quite deliberately, try to give "lebensrum" to your Nazi catspaws & to assist them in the "cleansing" of Serb majority areas. That was Nazism & the Serbs have an undeniable human right to attempt to resist such genocide. <br><br>Do you deny that there is, at the very least, a legal case to answer against the western politicians who did those things & engaged in those criminal wars. If so is it not corrupt of our legal system that these mass murderers have not been?neil craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3732919976442735382.post-15560199541793558742009-03-30T08:56:00.000+01:002009-03-30T08:56:00.000+01:00Neil that you have sunk so low to deny that in thi...Neil that you have sunk so low to deny that in this multicultural world that I would make up a friend who in the first few weeks of my course taught me that the Serbo-Croat for Irish was "Irates" my claiming that my friend is a alleged friend yet you expect me to take your alleged comments as fact when I'm dealling with a first hand source and you are not makes a mockery of this debate and your comments.Stephen Glennhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03027718551675624433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3732919976442735382.post-54240119514166680652009-03-30T11:23:00.000+01:002009-03-30T11:23:00.000+01:00Well a little thought will prove that my "all...Well a little thought will prove that my "alleged comments" are not alleged - I actually wrote them as anybody can see. Regretably some of us live in a world where people occasionaly dispute the veracity of what we say & when it happens to me I produce the evidence rather than having an attack of the vapours. You haven't even gone so far as to explain what your Bosnian friend was doing in Kosovo. In any case the fact that you have not withdrawn your attack on Delic for having the audacity to produce the "rock solid" facts that proved Ashdown a perjurer does indeed show, to put it at its nicest, a cavalier attitude to truth.<br><br>In fact what you have now done for the 2nd time is try to personalise this to avoid having to face the issues. You are clearly unable to dispute a word of what I said:<br><br>"No mention of his perjury in the Milosevic "trial".<br><br>No mention of knowing the KLA were Nazis, drug lords & organleggers armed by NATO as genocidal terrorists & police when he was training them.<br><br>No mention of knowing the Nazi antecedents of his allies & their public commitments to racial genocide.<br><br>No mention of conversation with his friend Mr bin Laden in the Bosnian Moslem Nazi President's office.<br><br>No mention of him being a war criminal who has been willing to tell absolutely any lie to promote racial genocide."<br><br>All of these are supported by the facts as, having read my blog, you clearly know.neil craighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09157898238945726349noreply@blogger.com